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	<title>Comments on: Battlestar Galactica 4.12 (4.10) &#8220;Revelations&#8221; Summary and Analysis SPOILERS</title>
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		<title>By: Strauss</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe D&#039;anna was apologizing to Tigh (when she saw the faces of the final 5) for what happened on New Caprica... being tortured, loosing an eye... not realizing what he was.

The final is not Starbuck. She is just a human with a role to play, just as Laura and Baltar. She are &#039;messengers of god&#039;.


I have a concern about Caprica 6 being pregnant, however. Two cylons cannot have a child. So far only a cylon and human can and they must be in love. (Athena/Helo, Tyrol/Cally). So it could mean  Tigh is not really the father. (Or he is the original?)

If Tigh is a cylon then Ellen (his dead wife) could also be a cylon since they had no children. She would not have downloaded to a new body since they were not part of the Cylon fleet.

But what significance would that bring?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe D&#8217;anna was apologizing to Tigh (when she saw the faces of the final 5) for what happened on New Caprica&#8230; being tortured, loosing an eye&#8230; not realizing what he was.</p>
<p>The final is not Starbuck. She is just a human with a role to play, just as Laura and Baltar. She are &#8216;messengers of god&#8217;.</p>
<p>I have a concern about Caprica 6 being pregnant, however. Two cylons cannot have a child. So far only a cylon and human can and they must be in love. (Athena/Helo, Tyrol/Cally). So it could mean  Tigh is not really the father. (Or he is the original?)</p>
<p>If Tigh is a cylon then Ellen (his dead wife) could also be a cylon since they had no children. She would not have downloaded to a new body since they were not part of the Cylon fleet.</p>
<p>But what significance would that bring?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 08:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with Starbuck is that she &quot;died&quot; AFTER D&#039;anna got boxed and saw the final five, she may have wanted to apologise to her for Leobens treatment of her but as Starbuck is in the fleet that excludes her from this, she would also know from Leoben that Starbuck is alive

As for Baltar while I concede that there is still a chance that he is the final cylon, I think something else is going on with him, thanks for reminding me of the dubiousness of his survival though I need to add that to the unanswered questions part of my retrospective</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with Starbuck is that she &#8220;died&#8221; AFTER D&#8217;anna got boxed and saw the final five, she may have wanted to apologise to her for Leobens treatment of her but as Starbuck is in the fleet that excludes her from this, she would also know from Leoben that Starbuck is alive</p>
<p>As for Baltar while I concede that there is still a chance that he is the final cylon, I think something else is going on with him, thanks for reminding me of the dubiousness of his survival though I need to add that to the unanswered questions part of my retrospective</p>
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		<title>By: Atlanta_SciFiLover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atlanta_SciFiLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the final model is either Starbuck or Baltar. The is why D&#039;anna was sp shocked in her vision and made the statement she made - something to the fact like &quot;oh it is you...&quot;

Starbuck, because we saw that heifa got charred up and explode to pieces earlier in the season, then all of a sudden she reappears wearing a smile and her crazy face...(i think the chica is fraking bi-polar, she needs some of Roslin&#039;s Commolla aka marijuana...lol)...who comes back from the dead on BSG except for Cylons?

Baltar, because he was with 6 in the first episode when their planet was destroyed by that explosion. He was standing with 6 having a converstation when the glass and everything shattered and exploded all over the place. Any normal &quot;human&quot;  IF they made it out of that alive, would have been badly scarred, injured or maimed up, with some missing limbs...hence the fact that he was alive without any scratched leads me to believe he is a cylon and downloaded a new version of himself on some hub somewhere...also the whole show he has been the most mentally challenged of the characters - always in constant contact with 6..talking and fraking her all the time (in his mind) i mean WHO human or otherwise has sexual relations with an imaginary person and lets this imaginary person jack them up and beat them up? Only a skin job - nutty half human/cylon such as Baltar is...

WHAT is a SKIN jOb?...lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the final model is either Starbuck or Baltar. The is why D&#8217;anna was sp shocked in her vision and made the statement she made &#8211; something to the fact like &#8220;oh it is you&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Starbuck, because we saw that heifa got charred up and explode to pieces earlier in the season, then all of a sudden she reappears wearing a smile and her crazy face&#8230;(i think the chica is fraking bi-polar, she needs some of Roslin&#8217;s Commolla aka marijuana&#8230;lol)&#8230;who comes back from the dead on BSG except for Cylons?</p>
<p>Baltar, because he was with 6 in the first episode when their planet was destroyed by that explosion. He was standing with 6 having a converstation when the glass and everything shattered and exploded all over the place. Any normal &#8220;human&#8221;  IF they made it out of that alive, would have been badly scarred, injured or maimed up, with some missing limbs&#8230;hence the fact that he was alive without any scratched leads me to believe he is a cylon and downloaded a new version of himself on some hub somewhere&#8230;also the whole show he has been the most mentally challenged of the characters &#8211; always in constant contact with 6..talking and fraking her all the time (in his mind) i mean WHO human or otherwise has sexual relations with an imaginary person and lets this imaginary person jack them up and beat them up? Only a skin job &#8211; nutty half human/cylon such as Baltar is&#8230;</p>
<p>WHAT is a SKIN jOb?&#8230;lol</p>
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		<title>By: Random Remarks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Remarks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I doubt that Starbucks Viper is the final cylon in of itself I like the idea that it may be containing a copy of the final cylons programming or some sort of cylon AI. I suspect more will be revealed about starbucks viper in the second half of the season</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I doubt that Starbucks Viper is the final cylon in of itself I like the idea that it may be containing a copy of the final cylons programming or some sort of cylon AI. I suspect more will be revealed about starbucks viper in the second half of the season</p>
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		<title>By: sageb1</title>
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		<dc:creator>sageb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO I think the Final Cylon is still on board on the Galactica but D&#039;anna knows it cannot join her fellow Cylons.

Remember that the music previously brought Tighe and the three sleeper Cylons to the hangar bay holding Starbuck&#039;s &quot;new&quot; Viper - which appears to be a &quot;mockup&quot; of the original Viper from the old series around the time they awoke to the realization they were Cylons.

Then this happened again, and Tighe and the two remaining Cylon sleepers appeared by the Viper in the hangar bay again. Tori heard the music, but only reported it because she was first returned to the basestar earlier in the episode &quot;to give the President her medication&quot; over Tighe&#039;s objections.

This same Viper has information pointing to Earth on its data bank.

I propose that this Viper has a Cylon AI in the Viper&#039;s mainframe.

Yes, Starbuck&#039;s Viper is the Final Cylon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO I think the Final Cylon is still on board on the Galactica but D&#8217;anna knows it cannot join her fellow Cylons.</p>
<p>Remember that the music previously brought Tighe and the three sleeper Cylons to the hangar bay holding Starbuck&#8217;s &#8220;new&#8221; Viper &#8211; which appears to be a &#8220;mockup&#8221; of the original Viper from the old series around the time they awoke to the realization they were Cylons.</p>
<p>Then this happened again, and Tighe and the two remaining Cylon sleepers appeared by the Viper in the hangar bay again. Tori heard the music, but only reported it because she was first returned to the basestar earlier in the episode &#8220;to give the President her medication&#8221; over Tighe&#8217;s objections.</p>
<p>This same Viper has information pointing to Earth on its data bank.</p>
<p>I propose that this Viper has a Cylon AI in the Viper&#8217;s mainframe.</p>
<p>Yes, Starbuck&#8217;s Viper is the Final Cylon!</p>
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		<title>By: Random Remarks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Remarks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cardinal

I just checked the scene and I see what you mean, as the camera only pans round 3 cylons and we have a cut and see her from a different angle walking up to one of the five. Given that it looked like D&#039;anna was checking from side to side physically and with her eyes I still believe she recognised all of them.

Even if she only recognised 4 it still doesnt answer the question of why wasnt the fifth activated, and the hybrid prophecy says the three will give you the five, if D&#039;anna was only going to give them four of the five surely the prophecy would say the missing three will give you four.... Even if D&#039;anna could only give them four that is still four more than they could without her. I also viewed D&#039;anna as being a minor factor in starting the war, as problems between the 2, 6 and 8&#039;s and the 1,4 and 5s were coming to a boiling point and the war would have come to pass even if D&#039;anna had been boxed for a different reason.

As for your Pythia prediction it is possible but I favour them having made an incorrect assumption about Earth being the promised land especially with Roslin living to enter it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cardinal</p>
<p>I just checked the scene and I see what you mean, as the camera only pans round 3 cylons and we have a cut and see her from a different angle walking up to one of the five. Given that it looked like D&#8217;anna was checking from side to side physically and with her eyes I still believe she recognised all of them.</p>
<p>Even if she only recognised 4 it still doesnt answer the question of why wasnt the fifth activated, and the hybrid prophecy says the three will give you the five, if D&#8217;anna was only going to give them four of the five surely the prophecy would say the missing three will give you four&#8230;. Even if D&#8217;anna could only give them four that is still four more than they could without her. I also viewed D&#8217;anna as being a minor factor in starting the war, as problems between the 2, 6 and 8&#8242;s and the 1,4 and 5s were coming to a boiling point and the war would have come to pass even if D&#8217;anna had been boxed for a different reason.</p>
<p>As for your Pythia prediction it is possible but I favour them having made an incorrect assumption about Earth being the promised land especially with Roslin living to enter it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cardinal Light</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cardinal Light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched &#039;Rapture&#039; a few weeks back before &#039;The Hub&#039; and I noticed that, if you count carefully during the scene in the Opera House, D&#039;Anna only saw four faces since she had to pause and apologize to the fourth Cylon.  I recommend going back and seeing this for yourself.  In short, D&#039;Anna&#039;s incomplete knowledge precipitated a Civil War based on the expectation that she knew all the faces.  This is true irony.  After watching the last two episodes (&#039;The Hub&#039; and &#039;Revelations&#039;) it is my opinion that she is purposely being vague on the fifth because her knowledge has propelled her into a power position and perception of knowledge is the only thing she has going for her at this point.

Also, after watching this episode I&#039;m starting to suspect that Colonial scripture is being told in reverse.  Maybe the exodus of the 13th tribe was really an exodus from a nuclear devastated Earth.  Pythia chronicled this exodus when the 13th tribe arrived on Kobol.  The 13th tribe split to form the 12 Tribes of Kobol before a similar catastrophe befell Kobol and forced their departure from Kobol.  Over time Pythia&#039;s account somehow became reversed and later writers &#039;modernized&#039; the account until it turned into the version that Roslin knows and loves.  Ancient myths can evolve and change over time because of mistranslations, embellishments, or sloppy editing by subsequent scribes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched &#8216;Rapture&#8217; a few weeks back before &#8216;The Hub&#8217; and I noticed that, if you count carefully during the scene in the Opera House, D&#8217;Anna only saw four faces since she had to pause and apologize to the fourth Cylon.  I recommend going back and seeing this for yourself.  In short, D&#8217;Anna&#8217;s incomplete knowledge precipitated a Civil War based on the expectation that she knew all the faces.  This is true irony.  After watching the last two episodes (&#8216;The Hub&#8217; and &#8216;Revelations&#8217;) it is my opinion that she is purposely being vague on the fifth because her knowledge has propelled her into a power position and perception of knowledge is the only thing she has going for her at this point.</p>
<p>Also, after watching this episode I&#8217;m starting to suspect that Colonial scripture is being told in reverse.  Maybe the exodus of the 13th tribe was really an exodus from a nuclear devastated Earth.  Pythia chronicled this exodus when the 13th tribe arrived on Kobol.  The 13th tribe split to form the 12 Tribes of Kobol before a similar catastrophe befell Kobol and forced their departure from Kobol.  Over time Pythia&#8217;s account somehow became reversed and later writers &#8216;modernized&#8217; the account until it turned into the version that Roslin knows and loves.  Ancient myths can evolve and change over time because of mistranslations, embellishments, or sloppy editing by subsequent scribes.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Remarks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Remarks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment EEM

My problem with the ending is similar to yours in that I think an episode that ends a season should either have a sense of resolution or suspense and this had neither it was just down, ironically the final scene could have worked as an ending to the series proper if the episode(s) leading up to the scene had set it up right

I must disagree with you about the cylon being a human allready on the basestar as I think D&#039;anna would have revealed the cylons identity. I do agree with your choices (with the possible exception of Adama as D&#039;anna let him leave) for the only humans it could be as she was willing to kill all the others. I therefore suspect it to be a character D&#039;anna knows to be dead and I will do a post next week updating my thoughts on final cylon candidates

As for the ending its good to know someone else thinks it was the temple of Aurora any ideas on what city on Earth it is meant to be or if there allready is a temple of Aurora on Earth? I wont be surprised if some one makes a youtube video combining the BSG ending with the ending of the original planet of the apes though as I was just waiting for the statue of liberty reveal!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment EEM</p>
<p>My problem with the ending is similar to yours in that I think an episode that ends a season should either have a sense of resolution or suspense and this had neither it was just down, ironically the final scene could have worked as an ending to the series proper if the episode(s) leading up to the scene had set it up right</p>
<p>I must disagree with you about the cylon being a human allready on the basestar as I think D&#8217;anna would have revealed the cylons identity. I do agree with your choices (with the possible exception of Adama as D&#8217;anna let him leave) for the only humans it could be as she was willing to kill all the others. I therefore suspect it to be a character D&#8217;anna knows to be dead and I will do a post next week updating my thoughts on final cylon candidates</p>
<p>As for the ending its good to know someone else thinks it was the temple of Aurora any ideas on what city on Earth it is meant to be or if there allready is a temple of Aurora on Earth? I wont be surprised if some one makes a youtube video combining the BSG ending with the ending of the original planet of the apes though as I was just waiting for the statue of liberty reveal!!!</p>
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		<title>By: EEM</title>
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		<dc:creator>EEM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Revelations&#039; made it pretty likely that the final Cylon was with D&#039;Anna on the basestar. Otherwise, she couldn&#039;t have been so sure that there were only four of the final five with the fleet. So it could be Adama, Baltar, Helo, or Roslin if it&#039;s not some minor character. My money is on Adama. He broke down when Tigh told him how he found out about being a Cylon. Perhaps Adama collapsed not so much out of a sense of betrayal but because he realised what the music he also had heard in the Nebula was all about.

I also thought that the landing team stood in the ruins of the temple of Aurora. The destruction of Earth doesn&#039;t really come as a surprise. &quot;All this has happened before and will happen again&quot; is the mantra of the show. Earth was destroyed in a conflict between men and machines. So was Kobol, and so were the 12 colonies. I wonder how all of this will be resolved. Too bad that it will be at least 6 months. This was not really much of a cliffhanger but more of a down ending. There are many open questions but there is really no suspense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Revelations&#8217; made it pretty likely that the final Cylon was with D&#8217;Anna on the basestar. Otherwise, she couldn&#8217;t have been so sure that there were only four of the final five with the fleet. So it could be Adama, Baltar, Helo, or Roslin if it&#8217;s not some minor character. My money is on Adama. He broke down when Tigh told him how he found out about being a Cylon. Perhaps Adama collapsed not so much out of a sense of betrayal but because he realised what the music he also had heard in the Nebula was all about.</p>
<p>I also thought that the landing team stood in the ruins of the temple of Aurora. The destruction of Earth doesn&#8217;t really come as a surprise. &#8220;All this has happened before and will happen again&#8221; is the mantra of the show. Earth was destroyed in a conflict between men and machines. So was Kobol, and so were the 12 colonies. I wonder how all of this will be resolved. Too bad that it will be at least 6 months. This was not really much of a cliffhanger but more of a down ending. There are many open questions but there is really no suspense.</p>
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